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FLASH POLL: Who Won? Insiders Pick Romney

Both Democrats and Republicans thought Mitt Romney's aggressiveness had the president on his heels.

Political insiders across Downstate New York seem to agree: Mitt Romney was the victor in the first presidential debate on Wednesday night in which the former Massachusetts governor spent much of the time on the attack.

Of the 31 insiders who answered our survey, nearly two-thirds dubbed Romney winner of the debate, though most Democrats who picked Romney said he won by a slim margin. Republicans thought Romney trounced the president by a wide margin.

"Romney was on his 'A game.' Obama seemed like a deer caught in headlights ... he wasn't used to this kind of confrontation," wrote one Republican respondent.

In Patch's Red and Blue Empire Survey, sent minutes after the debate closed, 20 Democrats and 10 Republicans answered before midnight, out of more than 200 polled.

When it comes to who the news media would pick as the winner, respondents were near unanimous in thinking Romney will be crowned, though it should be noted that pundits, opinion writers and others in the media who would dub a winner make up only a fraction of the news media.

"I wonder if Obama's non-aggressive strategy is effective overall, even though he avoided looking like a bully," said one Democratic respondent, though others from the same party called out the truthfulness of Romney's answers.

"I wish Obama had simply called Romney a liar, but for some reason we can't do that."

The 90-minute debate, moderated by PBS newsman Jim Lehrer, touched on a range of economic issues, from tax code and job creation, to health care and energy investments. But at times the debate spiraled out of the moderator's control, a problem respondents felt hurt the dialogue.

While one person called out Romney's "overheated, aggressive interruptions of both Obama and Lehrer," another simply called it "the worst presidential debate I've ever watched."

For swing voters in the state, respondents thought a number of debate moments could stand out in the minds of those voters, including Romney's assertiveness – one Democrat called him "glib" – and "Obama's repeated appeals to the middle class."

Though one respondent wondered why the president didn't go after Romney for his recent scandle over remarks secretly taped at a Florida fundraiser.

"Where was the talk of the 47 percent?" one respondent wrote.

Obama and Romney still have two more debates scheduled, including one at Long Island's Hofstra University on Oct. 16 and another in Boca Raton, Fla. on Oct. 22.

The Red Empire and Blue Empire Surveys

Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in New York. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to the questions.

Patch will be conducting Red Empire State and Blue Empire State surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives and liberals on the ground in New York. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that last just a few minutes, please email Henry@patch.com.)

Red Empire Roster: Linda Cabral Marrero, Village of Ossining Mayoral Candidate, Pete Tripodi, Town of Ossining Councilman, Kim Izzarelli, 95th New York State Assembly District Candidate, Bob Terilli, Former Village of Ossining Trustee Candidate, Steve Dewey, Former Town of Ossining Councilman Candidate, John Murphy, Rockand County Legislator, Denis Troy, Orangetown Councilman, Paul Valentine, Orangetown Councilman, Tom Diviny, Orangetown Councilman, Tom Morr, Orangetown Councilman, Quinton Van Wynen, Pearl River Schools, Richie Bell, Head of the Pelham Republican Committee, Michael Recca, Westchester County Young Republicans, Michele Em, Activist, Steve Fuchs, Republican Town Committee Chairman, Elizabeth Bermel, Director of the Scarsdale Library, Jim Maisano, County Legislator, Ilyse Spertus, Former City Council Candidate, Peter Parente, Former Mayoral Candidate, Dennis Starr, Activist, Denise Ward, Attorney, Norm Rosenblum, Village of Mamaroneck Mayor, Lou Santoro, Village of Mamaroneck Deputy Mayor/Trustee, Maryanne Genovese, Party Chairwoman, Don Derrico, Party Chairman, Donald Sutherland, Republican Committee Secretary, Marlane Amelio, Councilwoman, Steve Malfitano, Councilman/Former Supervisor, Joe Cannella, Councilman, Luke Vander Linden, Bedford GOP Member, Robert Castelli, State Assemblyman, Lee Roberts, Bedford Town Supervisor, Don Scott, Bedford GOP Chair, Nan Hayworth, Congresswoman, Ed Day, Rockland County Legislator, Bob Axelrod, Clarkstown Republican Committee Chair, Christopher Carey, Rockland County Legislator, Frank Borelli, Clarkstown Town Councilman, Vincent Reda, Rockland County GOP Chair and Mitt Romney Lower Hudson Valley Campaign Coordinator, Matthew Slater, Vice President of Yorktown GOP, Terrence Murphy, Yorktown Councilman, Jennie Menton-Grasso, Community Member, Tony Grasso, Former Yorktown Councilman, Elizabeth Hudak, Southeast Councilwoman, Will Stephens, Former State Assemblyman, Jim Schoenig, Mayor for the Village of Brewster, Eric Cyprus, Vice Chair of Southeast Republican Committee, Terri Patton Stockburger, Village of Brewster Trustee, Bob Cullen, Southeast Councilman, Edwin Alvarez, Southeast Councilman, Michael Bartolotti, Chairman of Southeast Republicans, Robert Kirkwood, Former New Castle Supervisor Candidate, Gary Murphy, Activist, Judy McGrath, Activist, Robert Castelli, State Assemblyman, Robin Murphy, Activist, Christine Miscioscia, Former Tarrytown Trustee Candidate, Eleanor Miscioscia, Former Tarrytown Trustee Candidate, Philip E. Zegarelli, Former Sleepy Hollow Mayor, Jennifer Lobato-Church, Sleepy Hollow Trustee, George Lence, GOP Donor, Michael Smith, County Legislator, Terence Guerriere, White Plains Republican District Leader, Iris Pagan, Westchester County Women’s Republican Club, Bob Jackson, Former County Legislator, Ed Romaine, Suffolk County Legislator, Chris Talbot, Southold Town Councilman, John Galla, Riverhead GOP Chairman, Denis Noncarrow, Southold GOP Chairman, George Gabrielesen, Riverhead Town Councilman, Jim Wooten, Riverhead Town Councilman, Jesse Garcia, Chairman of Brookhaven GOP, Angelo Lomonte, Long Beach Zoning Board Member, Chris Wendt, Republican Supporter, Frank Scaturro, 4th Distruct Congressional Candidate, David McDonough, State Assemblyman, Gary Hudes, Hempstead Town Councilman, Jogi Giglio, Riverhead Town Councilwoman, Mark Epley, Southampton Village Mayor, William Wright, Southampton Town Republican Committee Chairman, Jane Bonner, Brookhaven Town Councilwoman, Joan Adams Owner of Pierian Consulting, Ari Kirschenbaum, Director of Chabad Prospect Heights & Fort Greene, Juan Reyes, Supporter, Vince Tabone, Supporter, Louis Perrotta III, Supporter, Christopher Allred, Supporter, Scott Russell, Southold Town Supervisor, Robert Creighton, Smithtown Town Councilman, Peter McGreevy, Commodore at Orient Yacht Club, Ralph Ekstrand, Farmingdale Mayor, Dina DeGiorgio, North Hempstead Councilwoman, Dave Franklin, Port Washington Police Commissioner, Thomas J. Kehoe, Northport Village Trustee, Warren Church, Syosset American Legion Commander, Linda Manning-Koziatek, Realtor, Glenn Nocera, President of the Brooklyn Young Republican Club, Joe Bloecker, East Hampton Town Trustee, Don Derham, Federalist's Society of Long Island, Betty Manzella, Vice Chair of the Brookhaven Republicans, Dan Panico, Town of Brookhaven Councilman.

Blue Empire Roster: Sue Donnelly, Town of Ossining Supervisor, Gwynn Schroeder, Civic Leader/Environmentalist, Al Krupski, Southold Town Councilman, Marie Domenici, Environmentalist/Former Political Candidate, Kara Hahn, Suffolk County Legislator Christopher Hahn, Fox News Contributor, Kathy Matthews, Poquott Village Trustee, Arona Kessler, Vice President of Three Village Democratic Club, Jeanne Frankl, Chairwoman of East Hampton Democratic Committee, Christopher Kelley, Past Chairman of the East Hampton Democratic Committee, Eric Jurist, Voter, Claudia Borecky, North and Central Merrick Civic Association President, Michael Fagan, Long Beach City Councilman, Kevin Brady, Working Families State Assembly Candidate, Dave Denenberg, Nassau County Legislator, Steve Fiore-Rosenfeld, Brookhaven Town Councilman, Sylvia Kenard, 9th Congressional District Candidate, Jumaane Williams, NYC Councilman, Rhoda Jacobs, State Assemblywoman, Yvette Clark, U.S. Congresswoman, Mathieu Eugene, NYC Councilman, Renee Collymore, Party Leader, Olanike Alabi, District Leader, Walter Mosley, District Leader, Lucas Shapiro, Activist, Lincoln Restler, District Leader, Ede Fox, City Council Candidate, Raul Rothblatt, Prospect Heights Democrats for Reform, Nick Juravick, Kings County Democratic Committee Candidate, Carin Mirowitz, Prospect Heights Democrats for Reform, Peter Krashes, Neighborhood Activist, Gib Veconi, Kings County Democratic Committee Member, Danae Oratowski, Neighborhood Activist, Brad Lander, City Councilman, Velmanette Montgomery, State Senator, Craig Hammerman, Community Board Member, Joan Millman, State Assemblywoman, Marty Bernstein, Central Brooklyn Independent Democrats, Henry Butler, Community Board Member, Maressa Ellis, Grievance Chair of 79th Pct. Community Council, Annette Robinson, State Assemblywoman, Robert Cornegy, District Leader, Colvin Grannum, Executive Director at Restoration Corp., Michael Feiner, Bayside Hills Civic Association President, Eileen Feiner, Bayside Hills Civic Association Member, Steve Behar, Democratic Consultant, Warren Schreiber, Bay Terrace Civic Association President, Tony Avella, State Senator, Edward Braunstein, State Assemblyman, Jerry Iannece, Community Board Chairman and Assembly Candidate, Daniel Squadron, State Senator, Eric McClure, Community Board Member, Doug Gordon, Community Board Member, Aaron Brashear, Community Board Member, John Burns, Community Board Member, Ryan Lynch, Community Board Member, Lauren Elvers, Collins Windsor Terrace Alliance, Andrew Hevesi, State Assemblyman, Toby Stavisky, State Senator, Robert Calarco, Suffolk County Legislator, Howard Knispel, Former Candidate for Smithtown Town Council, Ed Maher, Chair of the Smithtown Democratic Committee, Wayne Horsley, Suffolk County Legislator, Karen Koslowitz, NY City Councilwoman, Cesar Zuniga, Community Board Member, Eric Adams, State Senator, Jon Schneider, Past Chairman of the Brookhaven Democratic Committee, Mary Collins, Huntington Democratic Committee Chairwoman, Jon Cooper, Suffolk County Legislator, Delia DeRiggi-Whitton, Nassau County Legislator, Steve Israel, U.S. Congressman, Judy Jacobs, Nassau County Legislator, Peggy May, Mineola Democratic Club, Keith Scalia, Former Candidate for Oyster Bay Town Supervisor, Patricia Maher, Activist, Ann Gallelli, Croton-on-Hudson Trustee, Bob Daraio, Ossining Trustee, Bill Hanauer, Ossining Mayor, Marlene Cheatham, Ossining Village Trustee, Don Peters, Former Yorktown Supervisor; owner of Sports Barn, Brendan Tully, Lawyer, Mike Kaplowitz, Westchester County Legislator, James Martorano, Attorney and former Yorktown Councilman, Kathleen Talbot, Peekskill City Councilwoman, Drew Claxton, Peekskill City Councilwoman, Mary Foster, Peekskill Mayor, Marina Ciotti, Chair of the Peekskill Democratic City Committee, Michael Kane, District Leader of the Peekskill Democratic City Committee, Richard Kavesh, Former Nyack Mayor, Steve Knowlton, Nyack Trustee, Doug Foster, Nyack Trustee, Jen Laird-White, Nyack Mayor, Audie Moran, Piermont Trustee, Nicole Doliner, Legislative Fiscal Analyst at Rockland County Legislature, Stephanie Hausner, Clarkstown Councilwoman, Paul Adler, Commercial Real Estate Professional, Joseph Coe, Young Democrats, Ken Zebrowski, State Assemblyman, Robert Dell, Orangetown Planning Committee Member, Andrew Stewart, Orangetown Supervisor, Christopher Smith, Orangetown Democratic Committee, Mark Svensson, Clinton Global Initiative University Mentor, Dennis Pilla, Mayor, Blanca Lopez, Activist, Gary Stracuzzi, Rye Town Chairman, Raymond Sculky, Rye Democratic Chair, Esteban Michaca, Hispanic Democrats of Westchester, Naomi Oppman, Former Democratic District Leader, Joe Dermin, Harrison Democratic Committee Chair, Louise Riveiro, Mount Pleasant Democratic Committee, John Nonna, Mount Pleasant Democratic Committee Co-Chair and former Westchester County Legislator, Richard Wishnie, Westchester County Democrats — Briarcliff Manor Chair, Peter Fiumefreddo, Mount Pleasant Democratic Committee Chair, Elise Kessler Mottel, New Castle Deputy Supervisor, Jean Farber, Mount Kisco Village Trustee, Peter Harckham, Westchester County Legislator, Mike Kaplowitz, Westchester County Legislator, William Serratore, Mount Kisco Democratic Chair, Andrew Falk, Democratic Candidate for the New York State Assembly, Victor Grossman, Chairman of Putnam County Democratic Committee, Paul Morini, Putnam County Legislature District 7 Candidate, Sam Oliverio, Putnam County Legislator, Marsha Waldman, Treasurer for Town of Carmel Democratic Committee, Jerry Ravnitzky, Member of the Carmel Democratic Committee, Neary Strong, Activist, Catherine Parker, Rye City Councilmember, George Latimer, State Assemblyman Running for State Senate, Rodney Brown, Democratic Party Chair, Steve Otis, State Assembly Candidate, Mark Lewis, Chair of the Democratic Town Committee, Miriam Danar, Activist, Peter Harckham, Westchester County Legislator, David Gabrielson, Bedford Town Councilman, Chris Burdick, Bedford Town Councilman, Jeffrey Morris, Lewisboro Democratic Committee, Yablon Bruce, Chair of the Bedford Democratic Committee, Paul Feiner, Greenburgh Town Supervisor, Peter Porcino, Ardsley Mayor, Peter Swiderski, Hastings Mayor, Tom Abinanti, State Assemblyman, Randy Klipstein, Activist, Mark Gilliland, Town Trustee, David A. Ford Sr., Black Democrats of Westchester, George Kevgas, President of Westchester Young Democrats, Reginald LaFayette, Westchester County Democratic Chairman, Beth Smayda, White Plains Common Council President, Thomas Caruso, John Martin, White Plains Common Council Member, Liz Shollenberger, White Plains Democratic City Committee Chair, Rita Malmud, Former White Plains Councilwoman, Benjamin Boykin, White Plains Common Council Member, Milagros Lecuona, White Plains Common Council Member, Peter Hoffman, Pelham Manor Committee Chair, Richard Fuller, Pelham Committee Chair, Ed Doty, Co-Chair of Pelham Democrats, Anne Field, Secretary of Pelham Democrats, Laura Morris, Pelham Village Trustee, Janet Gandolfo, Sleepy Hollow Village Attorney, Susan MacFarlane, Sleepy Hollow Trustee, Bruce Campbell, Sleepy Hollow Trustee, Drew Fixell, Tarrytown Mayor, Bjorn Olsson, Activist, Noam Bramson, Mayor, Marianne Sussman, Former, IDA Chairwoman, Barry Fertel, Councilman, Jared Rice, Councilman, Martin Sanchez, Business Owner, Anne McAndrews, Larchmont Mayor, Peter Fanelli, Larchmont Trustee, Jane Elkind Eney, Town of Mamaroneck Trustee, Abby Katz, Town of Mamaroneck Trustee, Nancy Seligson, Mamaroneck Town Supervisor, Kristen Stavisky, Rockland Democratic Committee Chair

Walt October 04, 2012 at 02:22 PM
At least you give credit where credit is due although I would argue your other points but what's the use. Anyway, obama was unprepared. He lacked any passion, appeared disinterested and clearly could not defend his record as he stammered his way through mind numbing statistics that were quickly and easily debunked by Romney. His style as President of the United States is to show up, read a teleprompter of a prepared speech, hide behind a biased MSM that does not hold him accountable for anything and then have his pundits debate the nuts and bolts. If obama isn't passionate about the job, isn't prepared to defend his policies and doesn't want to fight for it, then don't do it. I wonder if he is playing golf anytime in the near future? That would perfectly illustrate his arrogance.
Arthur Vecchiotti October 04, 2012 at 02:24 PM
Romney won big. One down and two more to go
Gargamel October 04, 2012 at 03:26 PM
correct!!! and I can't wait for Ryan-BIden: that one will be fun. this was so one sided a debate that the "ref" should have called the game for piling on the score. Mitt is a deep breath of fresh air.
Ken Dalton October 04, 2012 at 04:13 PM
For the last 4 years, the media was soft when they asked Obama questions. Last night he had a dose of reality!
Empty Suit is the Mayor of ? October 04, 2012 at 06:08 PM
Who won? Come on.
Teleman October 04, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Barry has never really been challenged before like this- everything is staged and set up for him him- speeches written, teleprompters placed, he's been like a veal. It showed last night- it almost looked like he believed it was below him to even be there.Head down, smirking, OOOfff
Francis T McVetty October 05, 2012 at 08:10 PM
I would not put that past this administration and Valerie Bowman Jarrett .You do know that nothing that the president does, is not approved by her. It took three times, over her objections, to approve the Osama raid. I think it might be hard to pipe that information into him at that of a fast rate. You would notice that he was getting coached at some point. Lets see how the town forum works out for them both. It should be interesting but NOT as entertaining as the vice-presidential debate.
Francis T McVetty October 05, 2012 at 08:12 PM
Richard, "Romney's four erroneous claims that Obama would take $716B from Medicare and transfer it to Obamacare is beyond me" Really? I don't know what copy of the "affordable heath care plan" you are looking at!
Francis T McVetty October 05, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Ken, did you see the Univision appearance by the president? They pulled NO punches. With the Univision investigation into the "fast & furious", it seems that Univision has not forgotten what " journalism " stands for.
BTB October 07, 2012 at 05:39 AM
Don't you remember. Obama's platform was... it's all about CHANGE. Well... Obama still sucks, and that hasn't changed.
Ann Fanizzi October 07, 2012 at 09:28 AM
Will the real Mitt Romney stand up? Not 24 hours after the debate, he repudiated his own statement re: 47% and he is back pedaling on the immediate repeal of the Affordable Act provisions. What his challengers accused Romney of was made plain: he is the etcher sketcher bar none.
BTB October 07, 2012 at 01:45 PM
to Ann.... and Obama is God's gift to America. Keep you dream going.
Ross Revira October 07, 2012 at 01:59 PM
I do not think I have ever seen such a pathetic display of convoluted and ridiculous excuses for President Obama's poor performance in the first debate. One would think many of these apologists are acting more like cult members than just plain Democrat supporters.
BTB October 07, 2012 at 02:34 PM
"Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive"... Doesn't that sure makes me feel better now. LMAO
Ross Revira October 07, 2012 at 03:07 PM
Your statement is incorrect. General Motors is still dead. Just ask those individuals who lost everything when their GM stock became worthless. To be more precise the United Auto Workers Union is alive thanks to the tens of billions of taxpayer dollars. You have to give it to President Obama for taking care of his backers.
Portia Torte October 07, 2012 at 05:09 PM
Seriously, in the "auto bailout", 2200 privately owned auto dealers had their franchises summarily taken away and shut down. 120,000 workers at those dealers lost their jobs. Union workers are the new aristocracy. Taking away people's private property by the government as in the "auto bailout" is what happens in third world countries. Shame on anyone believing the admin's touting of this as a success.
laura October 07, 2012 at 05:47 PM
Wow, wow, wow - it appears the majority of those posting are followers of fox and rush nonsense and lies. Tell me something, will the likes of romney ever call for regulations to insure what occured in 08, will not occur again? Will romney ever make it his job to insure all americans, yeah and that includes 47% (likely your neighbor, or perhaps your cleaning lady, a fair and equitable opportunity? Romney has repeatedly and blatantly said what he thought others wanted to hear. He has changed positions how many times?, on how many issues? And by the way, Obama has dealt with all other nation's heads of state.
BTB October 07, 2012 at 05:51 PM
to Laura... all praise be to Obama.
Z October 07, 2012 at 06:11 PM
Wow, Obama has dealt with all other nation's heads of state? What about dealing with the Israeli prime minister - read this article - http://www.ocala.com/article/20121007/OPINION/121009803. And here are some articles on the many lies of Obama -- http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies http://obamalies.net/ http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
Portia Torte October 07, 2012 at 06:23 PM
"Luckily for Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants there were no liberals around to "help" them." from Twitter today.
Portia Torte October 07, 2012 at 06:24 PM
"Luckily for Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants there were no liberals around to "help" them." From Twitter today.
Mike October 07, 2012 at 06:40 PM
What regulation would you like to see Laura? How do you legislate "opportunity".
SPK October 07, 2012 at 07:21 PM
Regulation? Dodd-Frank doesn't do what it was suppose to do...and it has and will cause enormous harm. Romney can't rip and replace fast enough. The only thing worse than no regulation is mindless legislation. Romney is on-target. And BHO doesn't have a clue, or doesn't care, the harm caused to an industry and to us all.
Aintthatascam October 07, 2012 at 11:34 PM
Oh Laura come on, Obama was in office at the time too. I watch Fox news and CNN and Current and many others, the recent debate has me worried that our president can't function under pressure and without a teleprompter, plain and simple...
Teleman October 08, 2012 at 02:09 AM
Funny how every time someone disagrees with a liberal, the liberal accuses them of watching fox news or listening to limbaugh. I don't need fox or limbaugh to tell me what a dismal failure Bama has been, or what an empty suit he was at the debate. Do we need regulations for businesses? of course- we also need to have moron politicians to stop doing stupid things like forcing banks to give mortgages to people who had no business getting them.
Issy October 08, 2012 at 02:57 AM
Funny how people like Jenga make unfounded sweeping statements about liberals and when asked to show evidence of such they never can.
BTB October 08, 2012 at 04:00 AM
What did the great Messiah say... "You (they) didn't build that". All credit and praise goes to Allah-Bamma. All blame and guilt goes to Bush.
Ann Fanizzi October 08, 2012 at 10:57 AM
It takes real aggressiveness and business know-how to go after Big Bird and Sesame Street to lower the deficit.
Chris October 08, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Regulation in Business is appropriate.. What nobody talks about is regulating government....
BTB October 08, 2012 at 01:58 PM
Poor Ann.... Are you afraid they are going to remove your favorite show? Don't worry, there are other ways you can become educated.

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