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Water Coalition Hands Over Petition to State Officials

The petition with more than 24,000 signatures is in opposition to a desalination plant

More than 40 people gathered on the steps of the Rockland County Courthouse Monday afternoon to speak out against United Water’s proposed desalination plant in Haverstraw.

At the press conference, the Rockland Water Coalition handed over petitions with more than 24,000 signatures from Rockland residents opposed to the plant to State Senator David Carlucci. Carlucci is going to take the petitions with him to Albany.


“We have to put people first and make sure the water that we’re drinking is safe and something we feel confident that our children can have, and future generations can feel confident and safe in drinking,” he said.

The coalition formed in direct response to the proposed plant, according to George Potanovic, a member of the group. The plan was first proposed in 2007 with intent on producing drinking water for Rockland residents by treating Hudson River water to supplement the county’s potable water supply. The following year, the coalition formed and is made up of 23 local and regional environmental and civic organizations, such as Riverkeeper, Clearwater, Scenic Hudson, Rockland AARP and New York State Sierra Club.

“For the last four years, the Water Coalition has carefully watched the progress of this proposal through environmental review process, through the SEQR environmental review process, and we’ve fully participated in that review. There’s been a number of issues that we’ve raised, both economic [and] environment issues that we think are very significant and issues that were not evident to many people when the proposal was first made,” Potanovic said Monday. “We have submitted these comments through the environmental review process in response to the DEIS, or the Draft Environmental Impact Statement. And that comment period ended on April 20th. So we have participated as much as we can in the environmental review process, and what we want to know now is that our legislators and the governor in Albany are aware there are 24,000 people that are standing with us in Rockland County who have signed petitions saying that they oppose the desalination plant.”

The coalition has a few issues with the proposed plant, including they feel it would discourage water conservation and add to unsustainable overdevelopment. Rockland County Legislature Chairwoman Harriet Cornell talked about the legislature’s comprehensive county plan from 2010, which she would like to see taken into account.

“Haverstraw Bay has to be protected for future generations and that it should become an estuary learning sector,” she said. “Also in our comprehensive plan, we listed a whole litany of water supply recommendations and the first major recommendation is to develop a county water policy and the second is to promote conservation.”

Another issue the coalition has with the plant is they don’t think the added jobs will be worth it when factoring in the costs of improving the infrastructure, expanded sewer treatment. Uniter Water’s impact statement says it will create 10 permanent jobs and temporary positions to construct the plant.

She said she’d like to see more of an effort for water conservation opposed to simply looking to get more water into the county.

Assemblywoman Ellen Jaffee said she’d like to see a conference to provide more information to Rockland residents about the proposed plant. She also congratulated the group for getting so many signatures.

“A group that didn’t have any financial resources did this in a way that really is the basis of our democracy and I’m very impressed with this,” she said. “We should all be impressed with the community involvement and the voice of the community that we have here today.”

There was a small one-person counter-protest going on while the coalition met on Monday. Haverstraw resident John Taggart stood on the courthouse steps about 15 people away from the group holding up signs that read “build the desal plant now” and “a drought proof consistent water supply.”

“I am very much in favor of the plant,” he said. “I don’t think there’s enough people speaking out in favor, so I decided to come out today in support of it.”

While Taggart said it was a bit lonely out on the steps by himself, he added he thinks the plant will do more good than harm for the county, and it will bring in jobs and generate real estate tax revenues. He also thinks it can have a positive impact on the Hudson River.

“It people are drinking from it, maybe they’d be more inclined to take care of it too,” he said.

The only speaker to acknowledge Taggart was Pomona Deputy Mayor Rita Louie.

“This is a better example than I could’ve hoped for,” she said. “There’s 40 of us here and just one person over there. This represents clearly how Rockland feels about this issue.”

Petrina June 26, 2012 at 12:08 pm
... and, the article failed to mention one of the major reasons most of us are opposing the desalination plant - it woud be 3 miles downstream from the Indian Point!!! with no capacity to filter radioactive substances!!!!!!!!! Would you want to drink radioactive water?
Smitty Chesterfield June 26, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Agreed, I've added a similar comment to past articles that have failed to mention that.
Smitty Chesterfield June 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I wonder if Mr. Taggart owns stock in bottled water companies, because that's what I've have to resort to drinking.
what about not allowing lawn watering??its about conservation correct? people drinking water is more crucial than green lawns full of chemicals..last drought...two of the greenish lawns while everyone else obeyed the no watering ban where those of the owners of alocal supermarket..for 3 years after that..we didnt shop in their stores...and no one addressed the fact when you drove past their houses even though complaints where made...typical friends of the clowntown..
John Taggart June 26, 2012 at 01:45 pm
I've responded to your comments before, Mr Chesterfield. Look at thermal immaging of of the Hudson you can plainly see how a spill at Indian point would flow. It can't cross cut the curent. Water quality tests are good. Thats the reality.
It seems to me the people who want to put us under water restrictions will be the ones selling bottled water.
John Taggart June 26, 2012 at 02:24 pm
One of the arguments is ( Water is our most precious recource, Rockland has plenty of water, we need major conservation projects, we need to protect our aquafers and wells, If we build this plant we won't use enough of our aquafer water and there will be floods, we should direct storm drain water into the aquafers for more water (road runoff with road salt), we should stop discharge from lake deforest ( too bad downstream communities) we should restrict building so we don't need any more water, huricane Ireen prooved we have too much water.)
I don't know what the coalition means, do we have to little water or not enough?
rachel hiller June 26, 2012 at 03:17 pm
The pilot plant for the Haverstraw Water Supply Project has water samples from the Hudson that have Strontium and Tritium in them. That is a fact. Water mixes together, the radioactivity is throughout the river. Strontium is filtered out by the processing, but Tritium is not. United Water says a little Tritium won't hurt us. I say a little Tritium for an entire lifetime, bathing, brushing teeth - maybe even drinking the water that comes out of our taps - that might hurt us. I say, that's a poor risk to take with our health. The Hudson is the only body of water contaminated with radioactivity - that makes it not a good choice for drinking water.
rachel hiller June 26, 2012 at 03:21 pm
Here is a link from the NYS Dept of Environmental Conservation (DEC), that describes the leak from Indian Point that is right now running into the Hudson River: http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/44014.html There's a point in there where they say "the Hudson is not drinking water" so the leak poses no danger to the public from drinking, only from eating fish from the river.
rachel hiller June 26, 2012 at 03:42 pm
When a community gets a lot of rain but doesn't manage their water resources well, they have both too much water AND too little. If water doesn't absorb into the ground, it doesn't recharge underground wells and it causes flooding (not enough clean drinking water under the ground - and too much water above the ground, flooding our homes and roads). Good Land Use policy means building in the right places, and building in the right ways - to direct water to absorb into the ground.
You are correct Mr. Taggart, runoff is polluted and it hurts our water supply. We need to prevent runoff - by building in ways that direct the water to absorb into the ground. Then it is just clean rain, and it even gets filtered by the soil on the way into underground aquifers. As for Lake Deforest, did you know that the water getting sent downstream goes right to United Water NJ - and is sold to NJ residents there? Some water should be released from the reservoir - but United Water is releasing more than NJ's share because they are making a lot of money by doing that.
Barbara June 26, 2012 at 05:28 pm
The plant is a bad idea for many reasons. It is energy intensive, so think when the price of gas goes up, that glass of water, whether it is drinkable or not, will be incredibly expensive. As a result of all that energy use, it will also pollute the air. Once you pull the pollutants and waste from the Hudson, where do you put it? You will not be allowed to dump it back in the river, now the ratepayers will be on the hook for disposing of toxic waste (very expensive.) Maintenence on these plants is a high cost, the machines are obviously exposed to salt water and are very expensive to keep up and actually relatively unreliable mechanically. If you look at other desal plants across the country, there are lots of problems. Some of these places have no choice, so it is a necessity, but it is not a necessity here. And the real problem with it is that United Water wants to sell their reservoir property, creating "more" of a demand, and leaving us with no choice. It will go badly, and we will be stuck with it. There will be no turning back. So the few jobs that will go with the plant (after construction) will be not worth it compared to the problems that will be created.
John Taggart June 26, 2012 at 08:08 pm
Energy intensive says who ? There is only 1 additional process here the reverse osmosis. If your against the plant you say its extreemly expensive but until you get the kw per hr use you don't know. Natural gas is a very clean source of energy and we have alot in NY. A water plant near a water source and a gas power plant is excelent planning. In Haverstraw we need to get the Bowline plant going and cancel the Canada line or we will lose 170 million in taxes a year. My river is not polluted the water quality results show that, thats a tired old stereotype. Most pipes are plastic and the filters last up to 10 years. The land UW wants to sell dosen't have a reservior on it yet, if they can sell Ambrey pond the money can go to pay down construction costs. Building a reservior destroys alot of land and habitat
Mike Hirsch June 26, 2012 at 09:04 pm
I think that the main reason not to build this plant is because WE DO NOT NEED IT. I think that whoever did the water studies didn't take into account the amount of water that UW released to NJ illegally over the past 10 or 20 years. They were ordered to stop that by the courts a few years ago. I think that the numbers that they used to justify the building of the plant were skewed by those illegal releases.
rachel hiller June 26, 2012 at 09:46 pm
Desalination by reverse osmosis is an energy intensive process. That's a fact, not someone's opinion. Says who? Look up the Wikipedia page, it says: Large-scale desalination typically uses large amounts of energy and specialized, expensive infrastructure, making it more expensive than fresh water from conventional sources such as groundwater. From the BBC news: "Desalinating the sea is an expensive, energy intensive and greenhouse gas emitting way to get water."
I love the Hudson River, and I hope the efforts to clean it up continue - but taking it for drinking water is a very poor idea. We need proper Land Use policy in Rockland County - so we have less flooding and more drinking water. That's the smart way to get more water. And better land use combined with conservation would be MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE for me and my neighbors here in Rockland - That should be tried before a super expensive desalination plant is built and we - the ratepayers of Rockland County - are responsible for paying it off with higher and higher water bills. Not to mention the expense of sewage processing for all the waste - the salt and contaminants - in the water. The increased sewage processing would lead to higher taxes - who is going to pay for that? I'm surprised at your support for this project, Mr. Taggart. Why do you want this super-expensive, ecologically unsound, radioactive-water-producing boondoggle for the multinational corporation we have the misfortune of having provide our water?
Issy June 26, 2012 at 09:57 pm
This is just scare tactics and no bearing on reality. Strontium 90 will be filtered out and the levels of tritium are so small that even if the water plant was next door to the nuclear facility and you drank the water for a life time, your tritium levels would still be less than you would get from a single MRI or a return cross-country air-flight.
rachel hiller June 26, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Issy, first, Indian Point has had leaks before that went undetected for unspecified periods of time. The NY Times describes Indian Point: “string of accidents and mishaps,” “has appeared on the federal list of the nation’s worst nuclear power plants.” Here's the link: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/indian_point_nuclear_power_plant_ny/index.html
Why draw water from 3.5 miles downstream from that? It's a dumb idea - that should be the last place to get water from. No other body of water in Rockland has any radioactive contamination at all, so why get water from there? Unless we have to - which we do not. And btw: in Toms River NJ United Water was fined by the NJ DEP for concealing elevated levels of radioactivity in the drinking water. Link: http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/400275/water_utilitys_problems_part_of_a_pattern/ As for scare tactics - I'm a regular resident of Rockland. I'm scared - I'm not trying to scare anyone else. I heard about this desalination plan - common sense said it was a really bad idea. So I started to research and find out more. The more I learn about it, the more I see: the Haverstraw Water Supply Project would provide a big profit to United Water and hurt Rockland County's health, environment and pocketbook.
John Taggart June 26, 2012 at 11:12 pm
rachel, thats why we need to ignor foolish protests. Westchester would have had gas service years ago and gotten off burning oil for heat, but riverkeeper stopped it. Indian Points fuel source needs to be changed. We have the fuel but so called environmentalists would rather burn oil and nukes than make a resonable change.
John Taggart June 26, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Sorry, still need the numbers, verified by O & R
Issy June 26, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Rachel, you have no idea, tritium is everywhere, including the water you drink now. The quality of the water from the test project exceeds all federal and State standards and that of water from Lake Deforest.
Issy June 26, 2012 at 11:34 pm
No one necessarily wants a desalination plant but we must face the facts.
Fact; Rockland is running out of water or is in a precarious water supply situation. According to the NY Public Service Commission (PSC) Rockland MAY be in a negative water supply by 2015. Fact; Almost all of Rockland's water comes from Rockland making it very susceptible to drought and natural events. Fact; The PSC has mandated UW to come up with a new water supply to meet demand by 2015. And yes they did take into account the over-release by UW. Fact; The desalination plant is the only solution that provides a drought free unlimited supply of water form a source outside of the county.
Issy June 26, 2012 at 11:48 pm
In some ways Rachel you have identified part of the problem, there is no investment in conservation. The desalination plant is a capital improvement so investors will get a return on the money, through increased water rates.
However conservation projects are not capital improvements and therefore there is no investment return, so unless the government invests money in conservation there is no investment and no capital to increase our water supply through conservation
rachel hiller June 27, 2012 at 12:14 am
Issy - and if there's a leak? And it's not noticed until it's flooding the floor of a building, as has happened before at Indian Point? Why should we take that chance? It is a health risk and it is avoidable.
Here is a quote about the risks of tritium exposure from the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission website: "What are the possible health risks from tritium radiation exposure? "Along with other national and international regulatory agencies responsible for radiation protection, the NRC assumes that any exposure to radiation poses some health risk, and that risk increases as exposure increases in a linear, no-threshold (LNT) manner. The LNT assumption suggests that any increase in dose, no matter how small, incrementally increases risk. Conversely, lower levels of radiation proportionately decrease the risk, such that very small radiation doses have very little risk. The health risks include increased occurrence of cancer and genetic abnormalities in future generations. Since it is assumed that any exposure to radiation poses some health risk, it makes sense to keep radiation doses as low as reasonably achievable (ALARA)." Link to that: http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/tritium-radiation-fs.html We should limit exposure to radiation as much as possible. That means if there is one body of water in the area that has the potential to expose us to radioactivity - we should not use that one body of water as a source of drinking water.
Issy June 27, 2012 at 12:37 am
If there is a leak then UW will simply stop producing water until the danger has passed.
And that same Nuclear Commission Website you quoted also stated that the amount of any extreme exposure to a lifetime of Tritium water is insignificant compared to a single air-flight or MRI. Sorry but scare tactics do not work against the facts. Of course we should reduce our radiation exposure, but we could easily just take one less air-flight and reduce our exposure far less than not drinking the desalinated water. FYI Don't drink Lake Deforest water it has tritium, although it is no more/less harmful than the water from the desalination plant.
Mike Hirsch June 27, 2012 at 01:35 am
Fact: Rockland is not running out of water. Ever since UW was ordered to stop releasing excess water to NJ, the Lake DeForest reservoir has been at capacity. We just went through a drought this past winter. The reservoir stayed full. The PSC study used faulty data.
Issy June 27, 2012 at 11:28 am
Mike, so where is you evidence that the PSC used faulty data, where is your hydrologist report that shows that Rockland;s water supply is not in a precarious situation? Becuase every hydrologist I have speak/read says that we are at risk of future water shortage.
If what you say is true, why are not people challenging the PSCs conclusions instead of attacking UW for doing what they are mandated to do and creating panels of non-professionals and real estate agents. If you want to stop the desalination plant get the mandate removed. And to state that this winter's 'drought' is proof is ridiculous. We are talking about a sustained drought similar to ones we have experienced before.
Mike Hirsch June 27, 2012 at 01:06 pm
The sustained droughts that we experienced over 10 years ago were also when UW was illegally selling our water to NJ. Oftentimes the so-called experts are incorrect and/or use faulty data. I rely on my own observations and thinking to draw my own conclusions. I have driven across the reservoir countless times since moving here in 1985. In this case I firmly believe that the PSC is off base and has been unduly influenced by the UW lobbyists.
rachel hiller June 28, 2012 at 03:02 am
Issy, there is a hydrologist's report that shows that Rockland's water is not in a precarious position, as a matter of fact. It came out in 2010 - 2011, 5 years after the PSC published their Joint Proposal that mandated a new water source, in 2006. Some quotes from it: “Recharge in Rockland County is significantly higher than previous estimates," and “There has not been a continuous downward trend in groundwater levels across the bedrock aquifer, based on review of pumpage and water-level data as far back as 1989.” It's by Paul M. Heisig, and it's called USGS Rockland County Water-Resources Study. I have the link to the Summary of Findings, a simplified fact sheet for Rockland citizens. Link:
http://ny.water.usgs.gov/projects/rockland/images/rocklandfactsheet.pdf Also, after the PSC's Joint Proposal in 2006, United Water was fined by the DEC for excess releases of Rockland's water from Lake Deforest. From the DEC's press release: “DEC determined that United Water exceeded its permit limits by some 231 million gallons between June 1, 2007, and Sept. 22, 2007.” United Water was releasing millions of gallons of water - to United Water NJ, for a profit - beyond what was mandated by the reservoir's permit. There is an effort to get the PSC to reevaluate their mandate for Rockland's water - in light of this new information and more that has come to light since the Joint Proposal was drafted.
Issy June 28, 2012 at 08:52 pm
Have you actually read the report? It describes how despite consistent wet conditions many wells are seasonally running dry. The report does not make any defined conclusion and states that the aquifer is 'fragile'. So what happens to our fragile water supply during a sustained drought?
Given the low recharge rate (average 16 years) and the increasing demand on our water supply, it behooves us to supplement our fragile water supply or risk draconian future action. FYI the 2010 PSC mandates states that the over-release of water was taken into account as was this report.
John Taggart June 28, 2012 at 09:29 pm
In 1973 my family moved to a swampy area of new city a half a mile from lake deforest. With a much smaller population the res dried up regular for years. Don't tell me based on last months rainfall that we're ok for the next 50 years.
Ramapo has its wells, Clarkstown has its reservior, and Haverstraw will have its river. That ballances it out. These same environmental groups negotiated the Canadian power line through Rockland,(before Rockland knew). Thats the end of Bowline and 170 million tax dollars, Haverstraw, and North Rockland,

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West Nyack June 13, 2013 at 07:03 pm
This issue is not whether Rockland County will need more water in the future which it may nor is itRead More the fact that Hudson River water can be made drinkable which it can. The primary issue is the company that wants to run the project. United Water has been a lousy corporate neighbor to West Nyack allowing old homes to deteriorate then tearing them down and doing nothing to stop the flooding south of the reservoir. If we allow them to construct the Haverstraw project they will do nothing to protect the area and if anything goes wrong they will blame someone else. When United Water starts to take responsibility for its actions and manages their facilities so as to have a minimal impact on the community then maybe they should be allowed to build Haverstraw but don't count on it.
Caleb June 13, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Untrue. Perhaps if United Water wasn't sending over 2 million gallons a day from Deforest Lake toRead More they're customers in Bergen County we would not have this shortage. Hydrologists have shown that there is enough water regularly collected in Rockland's reservoirs and aquifers for our current and growing needs. Many of the "facts" that United Water is putting forward are outdated, and are based on they're own mismanagement of our water basin. Lets remember that United Water has repeatedly been removed as a water provider of major cities throughout this country (6+ last time I checked, notably even from Camden NJ) for mismanagement of water resources. I think its a prudent choice to look into a plant that we will be stuck paying for for the next 4 years from a company that has repeatedly lied and provided water with toxin levels high above legal limits to they're customers. Better safe than sorry.
John Taggart June 13, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Rockland has grown to the point that it needs more water. Terminating the flow of a river and takingRead More the water resources away from other communities (stealing what we need) isn't going to happen.