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Palisades Center to Limit Cigarette Sales

New smoking ban will prevent future stores from selling smokes

 

The Palisades Center is , a ruling that will prevent shoppers and mall employees from lighting up outside the mall's many entrances or in the sprawling parking lots.

Retail workers plying long shifts will have to overcome their nicotine urges, although Palisades officials said the mall will provide employees with counseling and information to help kick the habit.

Taking a smoke break in one's car remains an option, though.

"We're not going to go in people's cars," said LeeAnn Dell'Accio, the mall's director of marketing.

Dell'Accio noted the Pyramid Group, which manages the mall, will begin placing signage around the property before the no-smoking ruling goes into effect on May 31. Mall security and management will be tasked with enforcing the policy, but—at least in the beginning—tickets will not be issued.

"At this point there are no punitive damages set in place—we’re going to educate people," Dell'Accio said.

Currently, two locations in the mall sell cigarettes. Going forward, Dell'Accio said new stores will not be allowed to sell tobacco-related products.

A number of local and regional anti-smoking groups worked alongside the Pyramid Group to reach the no-smoking decision.

"This policy means shoppers and their kids won’t have to walk a gauntlet of harmful secondhand smoke just to enter a mall," said Alvaro Carrascal, Senior Vice President of Cancer Control, American Cancer Society of NY & NJ. "Secondhand smoke is a known carcinogen with no safe level of exposure. Mall employees who smoke also will benefit from on-site resources that will help them quit."

Mall employees, however, are less adamant. Mel A., a mall worker who did not want to release his full last name, spent a few minutes Tuesday afternoon leaning against a concrete wall outside and dragging on a cigarette before returning to his shift.

"I'm here everyday," he said. "If they designate a spot for smoking, that's fine. But to ban smoking entirely—that's another thing."

Annie March 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM
The mall is in big enough trouble as it is, people shop there. If they are worried about second hand smoke in the second biggest mall in USA, they should shop locally, like in Nyack, where all the second hand smoke nuts live,
John Gromada March 22, 2012 at 11:59 AM
The mall is a private business and is free to make rules as they please.
Don March 22, 2012 at 12:02 PM
I do not smoke never did, however I do feel smokers should be allowed to have an outside area somewhere. After all its outside, mother nature has the best and abundant ventilation. How many other freedoms can anyone be stripped of? I think we as Americans are becoming closer to cattle. When is enough enough? Has anyone else noticed that we may be heading in the opposite direction of independence?
Yehbut March 22, 2012 at 01:20 PM
Pity the poor, hapless security guards who will be have their "education" rewarded with the one finger salute. Smokers will now find locations INSIDE the mall to smoke. Another one of those "great" ideas that have everybody patting themselves on the back, but in practice makes things worse.
John Gromada March 22, 2012 at 01:39 PM
What about the Palisades Center's freedom to make rules for behavior on their private property as they please?
wastedmoney2012 March 22, 2012 at 01:59 PM
cigarettes are nasty! Why should I and my kids have to breathe in that toxic smoke every time we enter and exit the mall? Listen, if people want to smoke great for them however I don't think they should be smoking by the entrances. If the mall wants to designate an area away from the entrance for the smokers to hang and smell dirty together then that's fine or let them smoke in their cars. I like this!
Michael Gries March 22, 2012 at 02:10 PM
Another reason not to go to the Palisades Mall.
Don March 22, 2012 at 02:38 PM
The mall has the right to curb smoking or ban it,but what happens when shoppers choose to not patronize the mall and revenue goes away? ....so might that mall. I am just saying that it might be in everones interest to designate an area instead of a possible backlash. Also my point is its a stretch to say you will be prone to second hand smoke when passing for a moment at an entrance.
John Gromada March 22, 2012 at 02:44 PM
Don't fool yourself- the mall is a business and profit is the bottom line. They obviously have decided that this ban is in their best economic interest, and that they will gain more patrons who want a smoke-free environment. Smokers are a dying breed in more ways than one.
Richard Kavesh March 22, 2012 at 03:05 PM
I can't see the Palisades Mall losing any business at all because it forbids outdoor smoking. If you smoke, do it in your car. The Mall may even gain business from the 80+% of the American public that doesn't smoke and enjoys a smoke-free environment. And since when is there a "freedom" to smoke? And even if there was, what about the "freedom" to be free of toxic fumes? When rights or freedoms are in conflict, as they often are, something has to give -- and in this case health and fresh air (and the right of a private entity to make its own rules) wins out over air pollution and toxic fumes.
Don March 22, 2012 at 04:31 PM
I'm certainly not fooling myself, I also dont want to be so naive as to think that a mall cannot fail.Many malls have been demolished or fallen on tough times and shuttered. As I have said before I do not smoke.I do own a business/property in the county and as a business and a person, In my opinion I think all people should have a place to smoke if they choose to. Wheres the harm in assigning a small area for smokers? Why banish them?
Walt March 22, 2012 at 04:40 PM
What is more toxic to the environment, some guy having a smoke on the side of Home Depot or the landfill across the street from the Palisades mall? If you say the guy having a smoke, you're either an idiot or a liar.
Yehbut March 22, 2012 at 05:07 PM
I noticed you cleverly avoided the word "right" and used freedom instead. Tobacco products are legal to use, (at least for now) and everyone has the right to smoke. I think it's a stupid thing to do, but I'm opposed to the idea because it's impractical. Many of the workers in the mall smoke, and you can be sure they will find their little spots INSIDE the mall now that outside is off limits. You can stand on principal for clean air outside, and know that inside it's being more polluted than it was before. Good plan. A better thought out and reasonable plan would be to designate two spots outside, one upstairs and one downstairs, that people can go to have their cigarette. I wish I had a nickel for every cigarette that's going to be lit up inside. Wouldn't have to work anymore for sure.
John Gromada March 22, 2012 at 05:21 PM
If employers can get their employees to quit smoking, they could decrease their health care/insurance costs. That's a pretty strong incentive for business to institute policies like this one- don't you think?
John Gromada March 22, 2012 at 05:23 PM
what do you propose be done about the landfill? It's there. The smoking policy is an easy way to improve public health. But I would argue that the largest threat to air quality in the area is either the quarry or the thruway...
Don March 22, 2012 at 06:05 PM
I think that businesses shouldnt make that decision for employees,People/adults in this day and age should know their personal dangers regarding smoking and such. John, do you work for the mall?.... this conversation was about personal liberties now your talking about health care. Are we now talking about something else? I will just end my comments with this..... whether the mall is private property,whether it will or will not affect business,my opinion is just employees and patrons should have the right outside to smoke in an area that can satisfy their needs as well as non smokers in an equal and harmonious way.
John Gromada March 22, 2012 at 06:17 PM
Don. No, I do not work for the mall. But I do believe in private property rights, and that businesses have the right to make such rules on their own property. I do not believe that businesses have the right to make personal decisions for their employees but support them when they institute policies that provide incentives for employees to avoid behavior that would negatively affect the business.
Don March 22, 2012 at 06:47 PM
Exactly...this is my point. car pollution and quarry dust can be far more damaging than a fading whiff of a cigarette.
Jim Bob March 22, 2012 at 06:50 PM
Forget it, Jake, it's Rockland.
Jim Bob March 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM
Smoke? Secondary smoke? What about fat and secondary fat?? You want to do something for the health of the county? Why not start by removing all of the close-in parking spots and the escalators? I've seen people wait in their cars for five or ten minutes to get just five spaces closer to the entrance. How about a little walk, Ollie? And looking at all that jiggly flesh makes me sick, a lot sicker than secondary smoke.
Georgia Vasilakopoulos March 23, 2012 at 01:43 AM
Your comment is so true. I pay $11.00 for a pack of smokes, the better part of the price is tax. I have long believed that we are truly becomming cattle. I am sorry, I don't plan to quit, I enjoy it. No one, but no one can tell someone you have to stop smoking. It is a personal choice.
Allan March 23, 2012 at 06:16 AM
It is a great idea to ban smoking near all te entrances. It has been proven that second hand smoke even outdoors is still a carcinogen. They have not taken away anyone's rights, people can still smoke and can do so in their cars in the parking lot or anywhere else they wish that is not on the malls private property. Business will not diminish at all as evidenced by the ban on smoking in restaurants and bars did not diminish traffic in those establishments. My wife has bad asthma and even walking by a smoker can cause an attack. This is a smart choice by the mall one which will only enhance the shopping experience.
Richard Kavesh March 23, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Since we all agree that the Thruway is a much greater threat to public health than the second-hand smoke at the Mall, I am counting on opponents of the smoking ban to lead the drive (bad pun) for a federal mandate to increase the efficiency and mileage of our cars and trucks. That is, if they believe that bad air is related to disease and that global warming is related to human activities.
Lisa Donadio March 23, 2012 at 09:12 PM
This mall is full of gangs and crime and now the security force will be making time to yell at smokers instead of chasing shoplifters and maybe preventing a carjacking? Priorities!
Jilly Bear March 24, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Can this county get any dumber? Does anyone seriously believe in global warming? The food in the mall is far worse for you than smoking a cigarette.
Georgia Vasilakopoulos March 25, 2012 at 06:04 PM
well said, priorities in this county are unreal
SEAN HOGAN March 27, 2012 at 09:11 PM
I DON'T FEEL SMOKING SHOULD BE BANNED... IT SHOULD BE UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL... YEARS AGO YOU COULD GO TO A RESTAURANT AND YOU HAD A CHOICE OF SMOKING OR NON SMOKING DINNING...TODAY YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE AT ALL...NOW THEY WANT TO TRY AND STOP SMOKING OUTSIDE MALLS...I ALSO FEEL THAT SHOULD NOT BE BANNED EITHER... THE AIR IS FULL OF OTHER POLLUTANTS FROM THE FACTORIES, THE TRUCKS AND CARS, ECT... ONE LITTLE CIGARETTE SHOULD NOT BE THE BLAME... I HAVE NEVER EVEN TRIED A CIGARETTE AND I HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT SMOKE , SHOULD THEY DO IT? I WISH THEY WOULDN'T FOR THERE OWN HEALTH BUT AS THEY ARE ADULTS THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MUST MAKE THAT CHOICE , I DON'T FEEL THEY SHOULD BE TOLD BY "SOME GROUP" OR EVEN THE GOVERNMENT THAT THEY CAN'T...NOW A DAYS EVERYONE MAKES AN ISSUE OVER EVERY LITTLE THING... WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO "FREEDOM OF CHOICE"... SEAN HOGAN

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