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Nyack Could See Expedited TZ Bridge

Federal and state officials content, but local policy makers are wary

 

Rockland's $16 billion project has been trimmed down to $5.2 billion—and may spring to life in one year's time.

For many, the construction of a new Tappan Zee Bridge has been a far-away concept, less of a real issue and more of a philosophical debate of cost-versus-necessity.

But earlier this week, the federal government set its sights on the five-decade-old span, selecting it as one of 14 projects that will receive fast-track review in order to jump-start construction, create jobs and bolster transportation efficiency. Work could begin in as little as one year and be completed by 2017, officials said. And if mass transit components are not included, the cost could come down to $5.2 billion.

On a broad level, a new bridge is being hailed as a coup. "The Tappan Zee Bridge is a vital part of our state and region’s infrastructure," New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said this week. "The Tappan Zee Bridge project improves a key component of our state and nation's infrastructure, and at the same time puts tens of thousands of New Yorkers back to work."

Currently, the bridge sees about 135,000 vehicles daily, and accommodated close to 45 million in 2010 alone. Deputy Transportation Secretary John Porcari said construction of a new Tappan Zee Bridge would create around 33,000 jobs.

But its local impact is far more complex—the construction of the original crossing cost South Nyack its downtown. In putting up the bridge, hundreds of homes and an entire commercial district came down.

Local input

For some, a new bridge—no matter its timeline—was never the goal.

"I still think that Nyack, South Nyack and all those who travel I-287 would be better off with a tunnel than a bridge," explained Richard Kavesh, Nyack's mayor, Tuesday afternoon, reiterating a position he has held for some time.

Kavesh said a tunnel's most important quality is pollution reduction. But the mayor also says the new bridge—or tunnel, even—should not be in Rockland.

"Economically speaking, the entire object of building [the new bridge] is to stimulate economic development to north and west of here, specifically [near Newburgh]," he said. "All Rockland is in this package is a funnel, a go-through community."

Kavesh also noted mass transit, both rail and bus, is a must on the new structure, and that Westchester and Rockland counties' busing infrastructure would need an overhaul as a result.

Assemblyman Kenneth Zebrowski (D-New City) is slightly more optimistic than Kavesh, but also expressed qualms.

"I think that it should be on the federal priority list as far as safety and of moving of our region forward in terms of transportation," explained Assemblyman Kenneth Zebrowski (D-New City).

Zebrowski said it is critical for all government officials to monitor the project as it progresses so it has minimal impact on homeowners and the community.

"I do have concerns with the project and how it will come through Rockland," he said. "I'm worried about what type of structures they would put on the land."

Adjusting to major change

Some local officials see the project as an opportunity to recoup 50-year-old losses.

In South Nyack, a team of policy makers is aiming to bring a park to the village alongside the new bridge. The green space—dubbed Lid Park—would attract visitors and contain a minor commercial district. Supporting the concept is South Nyack mayor Patricia DuBow, Assemblywoman Ellen Jaffee (D-Suffern) and others.

The initiative is in part a reaction to past devastation. South Nyack was splintered when the current span was built; restaurants were forced to close down, historic churches were wiped out and, as a result, residents' property taxes increased.

The Lid Park project is still in its early stages and must gain the approval of the New York State Thruway Authority to proceed. It does, however, have the support of neighboring municipalities.

"I would love the Lid Park," Kavesh said. "I fully support what Patricia DuBow wants to do."

"In 1955 the Thruway ripped the heart and guts out of South Nyack, and now they want to do it again," he continued. "[And] the people that will be worst-off are not those whose properties will be condemned and acquired by the Thruway—it will be those adjacent to the Thruway."

Plans lacking

For an undertaking that's hoping to grow legs in 12 months' time, a great deal remains unresolved. Hopefuls are maintaining the importance of high-speed rail on the crossing, an investment with a billion dollar price-tag that would cut back on traffic and pollution and connect Rockland to New York City with trains.

Still, officials have not determined if the project is financially doable, and have yet to settle on a bridge design.

How will you be affected by the new Tappan Zee Bridge? Tell us in the comments.

Lisa Larson-Kelley

6:59 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Let's hope this gets adequate planning and review with this new timeline. Proceeding without a light rail or at least a bicycle lane would be tragic. Are there public hearings on this?

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johnnyangel10

7:25 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Quicker access to 'accident prone' drivers among other things

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Stephen J. Reich

8:25 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

The planning is done. Build it. Mass transit is a must though. Kavish's comments show how clueless he is. It it is not built in Rockland, the economic results are devastating. Nyack, please get rid of this man.

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Victoria Ficco-Panzer

8:37 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

I live 50 yards north of the present bridge,and the effects would be highly negative;however,when I voiced this yesterday,I was told to"sell my co-op and move to Florida".Sorry,but I love Nyack and I'm staying here and fighting for my home.Had people talked about a new bridge when I moved here in 1996,I probably would not have done so.However,I'm here now,and here I'm staying!BTW,Mayor Kavesh is telling the truth about siting the bridge further north,but no one wants to hear it!

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Stephen J. Reich

8:58 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Do you have any idea how much money it would cost to move the bridge north? Rerouting the Thruway will displace and hurt more Nyack residents than a replacement bridge will ever do. People need to understand construction engineering and cost analysis before they comment on public forums about subjects like this. Especially a public official.

b. Peters

10:21 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Up and to this point in time the public was never told why the tunnel option was never considered...nor was it one of the alternatives included in the environmental assessment. A tunnel from the Route 303/Thruway intersection to Westchester could be very beneficial in that it would:
1. Significantly reduce noise
2. Significantly reduce yearly maintenence cost
3. Open up and reclaim for development/recreation uses the present 1000 foot Thruway right-of-way between Route 59 and South Broadway in South Nyack
4. Create a pier by leaving a portion of the existing bridge from S. Nyack for fishing, passive recreation, tourist destination and possible retail usess such as restaurants.

There are many creative options and economic benefits that become available with a tunnel option that should not be ignored because the Thruway Authority has decided that a "new bridge" is what "they" want.

B. Peters
South Nyack

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Stephen J. Reich

10:28 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Tunnel cost way too much. Also , the outlet for the tunnel in Westchester is way east of current road approachs thus all the work done there in last10 years would be useless and billions more would need to be spent . Obtaining property for new tunnel outlet would take years.

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Bob

10:37 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

good coverage Patch.. very informative..

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Richard Kavesh

11:35 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

As it stands now, this is certainly not new, green infrastructure. Yes, there will be plenty of more hearings on this. In fact, now they will be expedited. Note to Laborer: I'm not talking about ditching/dismantling the TZ bridge. What I'm saying is that it would have made more sense to build any new bridge further north, which is where they're aiming future economic growth. There would be a newer bridge up north that would relieve much of the load from the TZ and a repaired TZ handling much closer to the amount it was designed to handle.

Another sensible but rejected idea was to build a tunnel under the TZ for truck traffic and to keep the bridge for non-trucks; again, the bridge would be handling much closer to the amount it was designed to handle. All of these ideas were rejected by the Thruway.

While the decision to build the new bridge is a fait accompli, its final design is anything but. Broadly speaking, there are two choices: a wider bridge or a double-decker with the lower level for mass transit. The double-decker makes more sense to me, but I'm no expert. Our goals need to include: minimal land takings; the Lid Park; and mass transit on the new bridge. Without the mass transit, all we will get is a newer, expanded bridge and more cars, trucks, and pollution.

We know that this will cause a decade of chaos in and around the "corridor." I'd like to know how many jobs will be created. And what IS the accident rate on the TZ bridge?

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marianne

11:47 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Lets see how much more money they can waste talking about future plans. It reminds me of the Helen Hayes theater. Lots of money changed hands and ultimately nothing was done. How long are they going to talk about it, get it done before the current bridge falls down!

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Richard Kavesh

2:08 pm on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

The first public hearing in Rockland will take place from 4 to 9 p.m. on Oct. 27 at the Palisades Center's Adler Room, 1000 Palisades Center Drive in West Nyack.

According to the Journal News, "each session will feature an informal open house, formal presentations, at 5 and 7 p.m., and an opportunity for the public to comment — similar to ones held in past years by the state."

"The Federal Highway Administration will serve as the lead agency on the project, which will help speed up its review and approval. The agency will prepare the project's environmental impact statements, likely using the work already done by the Tappan Zee Bridge/Interstate 287 Corridor project team, made up of the state Department of Transportation, state Thruway Authority and MTA Metro-North Railroad."

"Mass transit that had been proposed for the 30-mile Interstate 287 project has been eliminated, but may be added at a later date as funding becomes available. That project was to have cost $16 billion, according to 2010 state estimates but has since been upped to $21 billion."

"The new bridge will be paid for by a combination of bonds back by toll revenues, federal fund and labor union pension fund investments."

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S. Broadway

4:23 pm on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

As someone who lives adjacent to the Thruway, has read the study documents and has been to the open houses and meetings, I do believe that Mr. Kavesh has a good perspective on the issues at hand.

I would be in full support of a lid park. It has the potential to reduce noise and air pollution and eliminate some of that glare that strangely causes so many traffic problems!

We don't know very many specifics on how our villages will be impacted as this project goes forward, but I will absolutely make it my responsibility to stay informed and involved as details are released.

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irene tricano

10:48 pm on Wednesday, October 12, 2011

ok alright... fix the bridge '.you can put men on the moon' ...fix the damn bridge already

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Francis T McVetty

3:56 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011

I like this one [According to the Journal News, "each session will feature an informal open house, formal presentations, at 5 and 7 p.m., and an opportunity for the public to comment — similar to ones held in past years by the state."] I hope this does not end up like the World Trade Center planning. Look how long it took to get a plan for the new building. Again, they knew this bridge had a lifespan of 50 years, so why weren't contingency plans made? The government and our society has become reactive instead of proactive.

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Francis T McVetty

4:18 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011

Richard Kavesh, if you moved the bridge north what would be the connecting roads? You would need to build new roads and then the project would cost even more. If the new bridge is built parallel to the existing bridge, then you use the existing roads.

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Richard Kavesh

5:47 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011

Several years ago the Thruway admitted that the "50-year lifespan of the Tappan Zee Bridge" was a myth and that it was never designated as such until plans for a new,expanded bridge were proposed. The I-287 interchange has funneled a tremendous amount of traffic away from the G.W. Bridge and onto the TZ. Rockland needs a release from this pressure. Instead of TZ II without mass transit, which will just add more congestion to Rockland, why not widen Route 84 east from its junction with 87 North and build a new, expanded Newburgh - Beacon bridge with mass transit and an easy connection to the Port Jervis line? This would use existing roads.

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Richard Benfield

12:21 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011

The absence of a rail link is just another example of the short-sighted thinking of government officials. But if indeed there is no such link, there should at least be a bicycle/pedestrian path. People will commute to work by bycycle if government would only take minimal steps to make that possible. We could learn alot by looking at the experience of cities like Amsterdam, Copenhagen and even New York. Dick Benfield, Piermont.

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Richard Benfield

8:03 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011

A town supervisor from Greenburgh has an imaginative suggestion: Save the existing bridge span and transform it into a park similar to the Highline in New York. There could be pedestrian walkways and a bicycle path. The work could probably be done for less money than it would cost to tear down the span. There's a hearing on the idea in Greenburgh on Nov. 16. I'd urge people from Rockland County to go. Pamela Ancowitz

Francis T McVetty

10:06 am on Saturday, October 15, 2011

Richard, you forgot that we are living in America. We don't peddle to work. Many, many people just don't live around the corner from their jobs. Some commute 50 miles each way to work. Some by car and some by public transport. Bicycles are nice for the weekend when you want to get some exercise, gut I doubt many will want to travel to work by bike. How about the rain and snow? Maybe a nice idea for those Europeans but it wont fly here.

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Francis T McVetty

10:14 am on Saturday, October 15, 2011

Richard, as far as the Greenburgh supervisors idea of saving the bridge span because it would cost more than taking it down, I don't think so. If you leave it up and use it, it still has to be maintained. Who maintains it and at what cost? I think that the scrap metal would fetch a good price and help defer the cost of the demolition. How many bicycle paths do we really need?
The government needs to stop spending money on trivial things such as open spaces and bicycle paths, the taxpayers can't afford it anymore. Look at your tax bills and tell me I'm wrong.

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johnnyangel10

7:19 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Whadda' I do witha' my Schwinn 'bike,my Mao cap and my little red book?If I have no paths across the riva' ,I won't be ably assisted to my Commie meetin's and I cain't make it ta Wowl Street

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Bob

9:06 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Time to visit the Rockland Psychiatric Center..

Cathy

10:23 am on Friday, October 21, 2011

The mass transit is a must!

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